Theisms – A Pictorial

March 10, 2010 by Kay · 6 Comments 

There are, of course, other diagrams that could be added. And some of them could be tweaked. But this gives the gist of the differences.

Panentheism Links – Pros and Cons

March 6, 2010 by Kay · 9 Comments 

Because I made peace with my own personal definition of Panentheism quite a while ago, it has been a long time since I’ve Googled the term. However I was inspired to do so today and of course came across a whole new crop of articles that I found interesting for one reason or another.

One of the first articles that I read today – Why I am not a Pantheist (Nor a Panentheist) is very long, but quite worth reading. I wish I had cut and paste some of the paragraphs that made me go “Hmmm” as I read them, but alas, I did not and now most of those thoughts are gone. :) However, I will say that I wish that the author had called his article “Why I am not a Pantheist” only because, in my opinion, none of his arguments apply to Panentheism. Here are two quotes that I did make a mental note of my reaction:

So far, I have argued as follows: If the absolute is considered impersonal, than to call it “God” is disingenuous to both the original tenor of Abrahamic theism (before its absorption of ideologies like Gnosticism and Neo-Platonism) as well as the traditions which have always espoused a radically immanent notion of the divine. The latter have typically been either flatly non-theistic, or have depicted personal gods as derivative, a manifestation of a deeper and undifferentiated reality. If we must spiritualize all of existence, labeling it God adds nothing at best, and plays frivolously with a word deeply resonant to the great majority of theists. That is, unless the cosmos or the “All” can be argued to have a personal element over and above the sentient beings who occupy it (as insisted upon by process theologians), a position which has little experiential or philosophical justification.

Well that’s just it, isn’t it? Panentheists DO argue that The All DOES have a ‘personal element’ over and above the sentient beings that occupy it. Otherwise they would be Pantheists. And many Panentheists would argue that there is experiential justification (as they have experienced it). And I’d think that Panentheists like Whitehead or Clayton would argue that there is philosophical justification, as they are, ummm, philosophers and Panentheists.

It is neither the cosmos which merits spiritualization, nor the self considered alone, but the depth of the relationship between the two.

An obvious rejoinder is that this relationship is itself part of the All, and to think of it in abstraction from the totality of things is as fallacious as conceiving of heightened and exalted experiences without the human beings undergoing them. I have no quarrel with this picture; that we are part of the totality of things is a matter of logic (where else can we be?). But this is no argument for pantheism or panentheism, and in fact can be turned against both: For the relationship of the self to the rest of existence is indeed part of the All—and not to be identified with the totality in which it inheres.

Of course it’s an argument for Panentheism. It’s the very definition of Panentheism – that we are part of the totality of things and are not to be identified with the totality in which we inhere. (That would be Pantheism.)

A blog that I found during my searching is Theology in the 3rd Millennium. There is a very good article on Panentheism. Alas it doesn’t look like it has been updated since 2008. (I’d hoped I’d found a new blog to put on my RSS reader. :( )

I’m out of time but will return to this post later and add more links and comments. Until then, your thoughts are appreciated.

As a Pan(en)theist My Focus is On …

February 24, 2010 by Kay · 8 Comments 

… the big black circle.

It represents the Infinite, the Ground of Everything Else that is. I think this might be what Tempest calls Nature.

It might be aware (which would be panentheism). It might not be aware (which would be pantheism).

All the gods and goddesses are part of it. (If that is not your view, then I apologize, but it seems that most polytheists that I talk to would not argue that point.)

I am not saying that pantheism is better than polytheism. I am NOT saying that the gods and goddesses are archetypes or faces of a grand universal god or goddess. I am more than happy to say that the gods and goddesses have a ontological independence – in the same way that we do.

Is this a fair portrayal?

And oh, I’m not trying to knock any gods or goddesses. It’s just that none have talked to me. Until then, I’m more comfortable with my pantheism. :)

Functionally Atheist

February 16, 2010 by Kay · 3 Comments 

I woke up this morning to the smell of coffee and, for whatever habitual reason, thought about praying for my husband to find a job.

I stopped that thought in its tracks – cold.

“Why should I pray for something so mundane,” I thought, “when we have Haiti and Darfur and, well, the WORLD? My little problems don’t compare.”

Then I thought “And why should I pray for any of those places or situations either? I’m sure millions upon millions have done so and it hasn’t helped shit.”

God has not stepped in and done a single solitary thing.

WE have done things. WE have helped.

But God? Nope. Nada.

Then the epiphany struck – “We live in a world that is functionally atheist!”

I’m not saying that people don’t believe in God. People obviously believe in God. What I’m saying is that they can believe in God all they want, but they don’t ‘have’ him – despite their beliefs.

I think God (a supreme, nondual ALL that is the ground of everything) is there, but I don’t think it interferes in life in any way.

Never ever, no matter what.

The Ground of Being is not personal. I want it to be, desperately, but it is not.

Which takes me back to the “we have done things we have helped” part of the post above, because if, as I’m beginning to believe, the ALL does not (or cannot) interfere, then it is completely up to us to take care of our crap.

(There was a whole bunch more that I was going to write about our being God – and so in a sense this world is also functionally theist – but I’ve run out of time this morning and it will have to wait for another post. Perhaps the comments will generate further fodder for that.)