Trinity Prayer

March 3, 2010 by Kay · 4 Comments 

While trying to find some quotes from Richard Rohr on the importance of The Trinity in Christian metaphysics and philosophy, I came across a prayer by Ben at Journey Something. (Side note – Journey Something is a blog that I used to have on my blogroll and feedreader way back when. I think I may have been blogging at Songs of Unforgetting. Ben used to visit my blog occasionally too. I say this just in case Ben sees this post as a trackback. :) Of course, with all the blogs I’ve had, it might not have been Songs of Unforgetting … It could have been Chaotic Spirit or … )

Anywhoo – Here is the prayer. I thought it beautiful and it imagines my idea of the Trinity very well.

God For Us, we call You Father,
God Alongside Us, we call You Jesus,
God Within Us, we call You Holy Spirit.

You are the Eternal Mystery
That enables, enfolds, and enlivens all things,
Even us, and even me.

Every name falls short of your
Goodness and Greatness.
We can only see who You are in what is.

We ask for such perfect seeing.
As it was in the begining, is now,
and ever shall be. Amen.

Put Aside All the Dithering Thoughts

February 27, 2010 by Kay · 2 Comments 

I have a follow-up post to the Logos and Mythos blog in the works, but it’s turning out to be long and I’ve got typers cramp. ;-)

In the meantime I thought I’d do another Osho Zen tarot card reading on my everlasting situation of “What the hell should I do when it comes to my spiritual life?”

I asked the universe “Can I find a place within the Christian landscape? Am I on the right track with what I’ve been thinking about over the past day?” (Which is part of what the other post will be about.)

And here is what I drew: Postponement

The woman in this picture is living in a gray landscape, full of unreal, cut-out clouds. Through the window frame she can see colors and light and aliveness, and although she would like to move through the frame–as we can see by the rainbow colors appearing in her garment–she can’t quite manage to do it. There is still too much ‘what-if?’ activity in her mind. Tomorrow never comes, they say, but no matter how often it is said, it seems that most of us tend to forget the truth of it. In fact, the one and only result of postponing things is a dull and depressing feeling of incompletion and ’stuck-ness’ today. The relief and expansiveness you will feel once you put aside all the dithering thoughts that are preventing you from acting now will make you wonder why you ever waited so long.

My interpretation: Quit waffling and do something already!

Then I asked “But,” (there is always a ‘but’ with me isn’t there?) – “But I need to know if Jesus is God or a god or a deva or a man. Is the point nonduality or politics or mysticism or … ? The Bible is so full of contradictions and none of the stories about Jesus match the others and I don’t know who the ‘real’ Jesus is. TELL ME WHO HE IS!” (Yup, I was yelling at the universe and at the Tarot deck. Puddle of Mudd is playing in my mind again. ;-) )

And this is the card that I drew: Ordinariness

This figure walking in nature shows us that beauty can be found in the simple, ordinary things of life. We so easily take this beautiful world we live in for granted. Cleaning the house, tending the garden, cooking a meal–the most mundane tasks take on a sacred quality when they are performed with your total involvement, with love, and for their own sake, without thought of recognition or reward. You are facing a time now when this easy, natural and utterly ordinary approach to the situations you encounter will bring far better results than any attempt on your part to be brilliant, clever, or otherwise extra-ordinary. Forget all about making headlines by inventing the latest widget, or dazzling your friends and colleagues with your unique star quality. The special gift you have to offer now is presented best by just taking things easily and simply, one step at a time.

My interpretation: Keep it simple. The more complicated I make it, the crazier I’m going to make myself and the harder it will be. Keep it simple.

Logos and Mythos

February 26, 2010 by Kay · 14 Comments 

So I started reading Karen Armstrong’s latest book The Case for God, and in it she talks about Logos and Mythos. She says:

In most premodern cultures, there were two recognized ways of thinking, speaking, and acquiring knowledge. The Greeks called them mythos and logos. Both were essential and neither was considered superior to the other; they were not in conflict but complementary. Each had its own sphere of competence, and it was considered unwise to mix the two. Logos (reason) was the pragmatic mode of thought that enabled people to function effectively in the world. It had, therefore, to correspond accurately to external reality … Logos was essential to the survival of our species. But it had its limitations: it could not assuage human grief or find ultimate meaning in life’s struggles. For that people turned to mythos or “myth.”

In popular parlance, a “myth” is something that is not true. But in the past, myth was no self-indulgent fantasy; rather, like logos, it helped people to live effectively in our confusing world, though in a different way … Myth has been called a primitive form of psychology. When a myth described heroes threading their way through labyrinths, descending into the underworld, or fighting monsters, these were not understood as primarily factual stories. They were designed to help people negotiate the obscure regions of the psyche … A myth was never intended as an accurate account of a historical even; it was something that had in some sense happened once but that also happens all the time.

My mind started to wander and I found myself thinking about various figures in mythological history like Jesus, Buddha, Oddeseus, Hercules, etc … The Hero with a gazillion faces. :)

I found myself thinking that it’s obvious that some of these characters were mythological from the get go. I also found myself thinking that some of them had an actual historical basis, but got mythologized along the way. I found myself sympathetic (drawn) to the heroic stories of some of them and I found myself turned off by the heroic stories of some of them.

I also started to think about what Armstrong said about how the ancients thought it was best not to mix Logos and Mythos, but how they are also complementary.

I’m a panentheist, which means that I think that everything is contained within Divinity, but that this Divinity is also aware. (Divinity is conscious and this consciousness necessarily contains everything else.) We all, if you will, exist within the “mind of God.”

Anywhoo … with this in mind I found myself pondering what Armstrong said and I asked myself what mythos, what story, as a compliment to logos, made the most sense to me.

I think this universe has a purpose. I think there is a reason for existence other than for the brute fact of it. I guess you could say that I think existence is “teleological.” This idea frames my life and gives my life meaning.

I think that the stories of the hero found within all religious traditions are very important. Life is very hard and it takes courage to face it. I think that we are all called to be the heroes of our own stories and that the myths that we have of these other heroes can serve as important signposts to guide us and give us inspiration.

The only hero myth that I know well is that of Jesus. Actually I should say that I know some of the myths about Jesus. There are others that I don’t know at all. Also, some of the myths about Jesus, told by different people, are very different from each other. They focus on different things about his journey.

Some days I think I could embrace the example of Jesus and live my life with that example in mind (framed within the larger panentheist and teleological viewpoint). Some days I think I might find a church home and immerse myself in community.  So far, however, my previous JW upbringing and other literal-historical Christian group attitudes have gotten in the way. I don’t know if my previous influences will ever get out of the way long enough to allow the Christian myth to inspire me.

Some days I think that I might find a home under the very large umbrella that is modern Paganism. But honestly, the culture and group think there – as large and varied as it is – leaves me cold. I’ve come across just as many legalistic and literal attitudes within paganism as I have within Christianity. First and foremost of the reasons that modern paganism feels so uncomfortable to me is that I’m not a polytheist. I’m just not. I don’t think there are multiple gods and goddesses (as in ‘creators’). I can embrace the concept of place spirits and ancestors, but it feels very foreign to me to call them “gods.” (Yes – this is semantics.) I’m sure it’s because of my western and Christian upbringing. I imagine that “gods” meant something very different to the ancient Greeks and Celts and Germans than it does to me. But still, to use the term “god” (even with a little ‘g’) feels like putting my pants on backward.

So, I guess if it’s a choice between polytheistic paganism and mystical Christianity, then Christianity feels more like home to me. (I’ve also explored Buddhism, but it also feels like putting my pants on backward. :) )

This post is not only getting too long, but it is becoming very stream of consciousness. I’m going to stop here and maybe pick it up later. I mostly wanted to get some thoughts out before they disappeared. Take it with a grain of salt please. :) I’ll try to unpack my thoughts more at a later time.

Round and Round – A Repost

February 19, 2010 by Kay · 11 Comments 

A comment Tempest made in the last (re) post made me think of a post that I wrote in July 2007. I decided to post it again as it also fits with the current theme of my spiritual life.

The following is that post:

A couple of weeks ago I wrote a post (now deleted) explaining my decision to leave off Christianity. Part of what I was experiencing at the time was a sort of cognitive dissonance between what I felt about Jesus, what some books said about Jesus, and what the Bible itself says about Jesus. In a nutshell, I was fine as long as I avoided the Bible – not just the Old Testament, but most of the New Testament as well.

I wandered over to Eileen’s site this morning and followed her redirect to another blog that said, basically and bluntly:

This may be the most important point: being a follower of Christ means that, where rules and regulations are concerned, you TOSS OUT THE ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT (excepting the commandments), and wing it from your heart. BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT CHRIST SAID TO DO.

And in a way I get that. I could be a follower of Christ if I did that. However, a few thoughts popped into my head as I read Heather’s post:

Why would you exclude the commandments from the ‘great toss out’? Did Jesus say to keep them? (Serious question.)

And if you did decide to keep the commandments – which ones? The ten? The entire law? Did Jesus specify?

How do we know that ‘Jesus said so’? Because the New Testament says he did?

Why would we toss out the OT but not the NT? Do we keep the Gospels but toss the others? Surely Revelation must go and Paul’s “submission” speech? Where do we draw the line?

Aren’t we using a group of books (in which Jesus “says” stuff) to justify tossing out another group of books?

I’m not an atheist and I’m not trying to disprove Christianity. I’m seriously curious and very confused.

In most ways I agree that the Bible is a pain in the ass stumbling block. I’d like to toss the whole thing and still be a follower of the Christ. I don’t understand how that is possible unless he speaks to me directly. Jesus was to send a “helper,” which in my mind seems like it would be the spirit of God, not a book. But why do I think that? Because a BOOK said so.

And round and round and round we go.

On Jumping the Liberal Christian Ship – A Repost

February 17, 2010 by Kay · 23 Comments 

I originally wrote this back in August 2009 when I was in a similar place spiritually that I am now. I decided to repost it because there are a few current blog readers that haven’t seen it. Plus I thought it was interesting how my views ebb and flow. They were what they were, then they changed, and now they’ve gone back again.

Below is the original in its entirety:

jump-ship

I’ve been wanting to write a post of this nature for quite some time. The problem has been that I haven’t known how to articulate what is at the back of my mind.

This morning I’ve been reading a conversation going on across several blogs about “why liberal Christianity is bankrupt.” It seems to have started with a post by John Loftus. Which in turn prompted a response from James McGrath. This led to a response by AIGBusted. And this led to another response by James McGrath.

The conversation is quite stimulating and there are lots and lots and lots of comments. Actually I have to admit that, at this point, I haven’t read all the comments. :-D

There were many insightful thoughts expressed, but two really jumped out at me as artfully describing my feelings about liberal Christianity.

The first is from the blog post by John Loftus that I linked to above:

What I don’t get is how these critically honest scholars could come to these correct conclusions and still profess to be followers of Christ (i.e. Christians). I think anyone with intellectual honesty should jump ship like I have.

The second, also from John Loftus, is in a response to Bruce:

How would you describe someone who undermines the objective basis for Christianity at every turn but then turns around and professes to be a Christian? I know, I know, the Christianity they profess isn’t the one they deconstruct. I do think people are not honest with themselves.

So here is my reasoning (and it will be jumbled):

I think that the most accurate representation of who Jesus was can be found in Mark. I think that if you read that book, without the latter additions to Jesus’ mission and personality given by Matthew, Luke or John, that it becomes clear that Jesus was an inaccurate apocalyptic preacher who didn’t really care for those outside of Israel. I certainly don’t find him compelling enough to base my worldview and life on.

I’m not saying that the words put into Jesus mouth by Matthew, Luke and John are not great words. Many of them are quite nice words. They may even be wise and true words. I just don’t think Jesus said them.

I think that as time went on the writers of the gospels made Jesus into a nicer and nicer (more universal) guy. Then, when Nero pissed the Christians off, they gradually turned him into an vengeful warrior that would bring an end to Nero and all that he stood for (Revelation).

I just don’t get (and it’s a feeling that’s been a LONG TIME coming) why anyone would want to base their lives around a person that probably, if he were alive today, would reject him/her for not being Jewish.

What if there is a bigger story being told by the universe and the liberal (and not liberal) Christian is missing it because they are focused on a 2000 year old myth that has little basis in history?

I’m the sort that says – for the most part anyway – that if something works for you and nobody else is being harmed by it, then live your life. But I still can’t help feeling perplexed. It seems so clear to me that “revealed” scriptures are doing a lot of harm (and little good). I guess turning them into something vague and mushy is a step in the right direction, but I think it’s better to go the rest of the way and jettison all of them.

I know, I know … Wow.

But it’s how I feel.

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